Tuesday, April 03, 2007

On Gnirfleo

(Crossposted to gbadev)

All this crap about gnirfleo has more than pissed me off. Not only has it stolen legitimate attention from real browsers that actually work on the DS, such as links, retawq, and my own browser (hopefully soon Okiwi too), but it is damaging the community. Flat out lying and linking to other files is the sleaziest way possible to gain attention for your own games. I am looking forward to the day where another new gnirfleo rumor post doesn't pop up on three separate forums.

Do you know how annoying it is to get users telling me to stop working on my browser because gnirfleo is better? Not only is it not out, but you don't even know if it's real or if the promises made will be realized, yet I still get people telling me I should stop wasting my time and just use gnirfleo as the browser.

You guys need to stop acting like sheep. Stop reposting the same crap about gnirfleo and stop giving that fake of a homebrewer attention. As far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't even get mentioned until an actual NDS file is released that does what's promised. I cannot believe the amount of real homebrew that is being pushed aside and ignored for another delay update that's posted on the gnirfleo blog. For crying out loud, many people still don't know that DSOrganize Alpha has been able to browse the web for two weeks, let alone about dslinux, yet we get 1000's of posts on the gnirfleo comments stating that they love him and his work.

tl;dr - STFU about gnirfleo.

40 comments:

rummik said...

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein

People continuing to follow Gnirfleo is a perfect example.

Troy said...

you get 'em. They are all idiots.

Lexal said...

Dsorganize pwns gnirfleo, even if its real.

Anonymous said...

People seem to don`t know what is RSS, if gnirfleo isn't a fake they will post an usable .nds if it isn't... so why argue so much about it...

Thaks for all what you do for NDS Homebrew.

Great nintendoDS Lover said...

Don't worry Dragonminded!! Let them say what they want. You did a very good job till now, and you are doing great.

I saw the forms video, and it is really impressive.Hopefully the next alpha will soon be out too.

You are a great coder, and you prove it with your applications. Have a good day, and keep in mind that there are people out there that support you and that back you up cause they know you are a worthy programmer in the NDS scene.

Go DSO web browser !! We want the froms :p

kyle said...

you know i thought that it was a real project and i was really anticipating its release because the DSO doesn't work very well on my DS. it only works when my time is between 00:00 and 00:59 and after that i cant open the program... otherwise the file needs to be bootme.nds but since i started seeing some pretty good evidence that gnirfleo is a fake i have kind of lost hope for it and I'm just waiting for a fixed version of DSO that i can load whenever and i really want okiwi to work :D and that is the final thing I'm going to say about gnirfleo.... I'm done with it

ADHDYoshi said...

:O You dedicated an entire post to Gnirfleo.

Bryan said...

DragonMinded:
Last night I finally had the chance to check out your alpha release. I got it working perfectly with no corruption issues on G6 using viruseb's DLDI driver version 0.19. I have to say it's coming along very nicely, you're doing an awesome job! I'm looking forward to trying the next release with forms support.

Regarding gnirfleo: it doesn't even exist, so how can people say it's better? I wouldn't take anything said about gnirfleo seriously at this point. All he did was lead a whole bunch of people on. I would be pissed if I were you too.

Brit said...

DSO is the best there is. The browser was a real surprise, Well done and thanks.
The IRC is cool to.. Both connected with no problems.

Anonymous said...

dude, i totally agree, and if you actually read the comments on the gnirfleo blogspot, most people are talking crap anyway!

i have tried DSO alpha 3, and i personally think its amazing for what it is.

hopefully soon the stability issues might get solved, and obviously images... i realize this is all down to development, so keep up the awesome work, and i look forward to trying the final release version!

-nick

Anonymous said...

I like your navigator, it´s enough for the use that i want,thanks a lot for all the work that you have done.

Jorge from Spain

narfler said...

personally, i'd much rather have a text only browser that doesn't use caching than a browser that supports images by caching them to my SD card.

nintendobook said...

HI, you probably see me on gnirfleo website, but i don't post a lot since the blog is spammed..

Dragonminded, I start being interrested in ds homebrews when i see your dso app.. Please don't stop working! i love you more than gnirfleo and I am so happy you came back after quiting the scene. I hope you never quit anymore because i really think you are one of the best.. i don't know if somebody already tell that to you but you are a legend in ds homebrews.. You, infantile paraliser, lick, mollusk are names we know we can trust. I never tell it to you because i was thinking you know it.. but you are right, people like you need more encouragments caus you do something..

Gnirfleo blog is not serious, i think a lot of homebrews fans know it, but go see what happen there like someone who go see slashdot every morning. (slashdot is more interresting ;-)

and we are not all idiots because we look at it :-( personnaly, i discover your youtube video because i was there and im happy of that,, please don't put all gnirfleo bloggers in the same basket..
Gnirfleo and okiwi give us hope for a web browser, and created a big demand for it.. But its true, you make that dream come true. I will never be able to tell you how I appreciate the amazing work you do for us.
Thanks for read this , take care.. your browser rocks!

awh85 said...

hi dragonminded. dropped by to say good luck to you with dsorganize. u have been doing a fab job so far :D

as for ppl who rate gnirfleo (even if it exists) over dsorganize, its prolly because its claimed to have more advanced features (which i dont think are feasible) such as support for flash. the screenshots (tho fake) show images. just perfect for little kiddos who wanna surf for pR0ns under their blankets late at nite.

i'm sure once u get things sorted out slowly and in order, i.e forms followed by erm...graphics perhaps? ppl will noticed your browser more.

anyway, i have faith in all of your projects and take your time to develop them. dont take the fun out of it too. without passion, anything can die.

btw, did i mention that if i was a girl, i would marry u? since im not a girl, maybe i can take up the offer of having ur kids to ease the burden :D

jma790 said...

I agree with DragonMinded... Good work with DSO, keep up the good work.
Viva DSO and Viva DragonMinded.

n00b said...

LONG LIVE DSO
SUCK MY BALLS GNIRFLEO

luc said...

thanks Dragonminded
for Dsorganize
gnirfleo is just a joke

this is real
keep up the good work

Greetings and bless you

masterplan086 said...

DSOrganize is the only program that has a working web Browser. Okiwi it's looking great and they have already released an Alpha project. I believe that we have to support DSOrganize and Okiwi, they are taking their work seriously.

I love DSOrganize, it works great on my M3 Perfect CF, the web browser it's looking good and the other features are just outstanding.

DSOrganize is probably the best homebrew application ever.

Keep the good work DragonMinded.

Gunnex said...

Yeah, that is a load of crap. How can anyone expect a developer to come out of nowhere and make a webrowser out of anything?!

Anonymous said...

Why would anyone tell you to stop working on your browser? Yours is one of the few that's actually out there and currently is the only one that actually works on a Slot-1 card.

Don't listen to the idiots that tell you to stop working on your browser. It really is impressive and has got a lot of potential to it too.

tfurrows said...

The people who stand behind Gnirfleo don't deserve to have DSOrganize... let 'em suffer with their vaporware and ignore the real value in the homebrew communitity.

Anonymous said...

I must say I've used the browser for DSO and it works very well for what I use it for. (checking on sports scores throughout the day) Even if this is all the farther you take your browser it does what I need it to do, thanks for all your hard work.

Ivan said...

Good comments, and having someone as reputable as yourself come out and criticise the work of gnirfleo will help to put a more objective stance on it.

But the thing is, the emptiest vessels will always make the loudest noise. And the problem is that the one who do use DSOrganize and are content with it tend to be the ones least likely to post any comments about it.

Over at Gbatemp.net, we've been calling gnirfleo out as a fake for weeks now, and secretly laughing at how gullible the people who support gnirfleo are.

Anonymous said...

Dragonminded, you're WAY highstrung... I've seen this before in exceptionally bright younger people. You should calm down and realize that there is a lot more going on in the world than you will ever be able to influence (in other words, the world doesn't revolve around you).

This is not an isolated event for you either sir- in IRC you are often hot-headed. You won't get far in your CS career aspirations with a hot head (at least, you'll never get out of engineering and into upper managment). Cool down, realize that you're not always right and that there is room for other thought in the world.

Now, your DS Organize app is one of the only worthwhile DS hombrew projects going... but if you decide to quit (as you will, one day), understand that you'll be mourned for about a week, and then people will simply have to go on living their lives.

Gnirfleo is an idiot project. Let them go. Focus on your own stuff, and ignore all the idiots out there- they are abundant. Do what makes you happy- with so little free time, it's not worth it unless it brings you joy. Do DS Organize because you want to, if you want to, and let everyone have their stupid, idiot hayday with all their lemming followers :)

Above all, relax- you'll live longer and be happier in the end.

Loader said...

Whats Gnirfleo?

You guys are making me feel old.. I tend to download and try alphas before reading about them..

I've yet to try DSO's online yet, but I've used DSLinux's links, which is excellent.

DSO does more than enough stuff already, if you keep adding things I might just wipe everything else to save me switching programs :D

I guess I'll go google gnirfleo...

Loader said...

Sorry to doublepost, can't edit
Wow...
People believe that?
Different sized .NDS files for cache, eh? Can you write into an .NDS file on the fly? While running it? I thought this was FAT...

Dragonminded; Your app is exceptional. When I show off my DS's unconventional uses your DSOrganise is the among the first to come out (depends if its a movie watching type of person, then it's moonshell).
Gnirfleo may be responsible for meeting so many sensible people on forums in the NDS homebrew scene compared with the PSP. I'd look at it from the perspective that those people could be posting nonsense here, instead. I wouldn't want that- would you? :D

Davos said...

OMG PEOPLE!! Look at the gbadev posts. IT IS FAKE!! DM you cannot be more right. This isn't a April fools joke. It's way too extreme. Everyone thinks its real.

Leonardo Zimbres said...

Im Leonardo Zimbres, and I was a advanced flash teacher in Brasilia. Sometimes, happened to some students dont like my face, because I am very calm and cool. When my company works with big deals, sometimes I was forced to ballout the classroom, to give space to another WORST teacher. And the students like it. Sorry my bad english. As someone who tries to initiate something cool, I fell too much for these things happening. Much people dont know that dsorganize can record wav, write text. Your application is a example of ds compatibility, thing that palib and many other things dont do at all.
I dont like to do long comments, sorry. I dont like to be annoyng too, but if you have a time, think about our interview, I want to show to the world how is our day-by-day work routine. Best regards,,

aninterestedguy said...

i just read the front page and how u feel about gnirfleo. sure it is obviously fake to us, yet others still have hope. maybe it is bc u dont make programs compatable with the mmd. i use mmd, and got dso to work once. i couldnt open any other programs, such as maximum overload. if u made ur programs more compatable, ppl would stop talking about others

Romain said...

All works are good and more than one browser is better than only one.
Please don't stop your work.

rdvon said...

Lol, I agree with you completely dragonminded! I'm sorry that there are so many idiots in this world, I still get the occasional "ooooohhh I never knew dslinux could do that!" with the retawq browser... and I too must point out my stupidity by the making of the awesome gnirfleo browser theme for them (found on my blog, hehe... :D) at least I made a prettier one for you! ...too bad you cant use it...

Anonymous said...

I love you and DSOrganize, Dragonminded :)

Dave D. said...

Awww... C'Mon guys, it's real... See? http://dpgdownloads.com/GnirFake.zip
:P Obviously.

Anyway, keep up the great work, Dragonminded! (P.S. I saw the YouTube video, and I must say; must... have... forms...! :D )

darkflame said...

Its tricky too know how many people belief a lie, how many people just want to belief, and how many people are making fun of the beliefs by pretending too belief themselves :p

Sometimes people just base all
their views on one source of information and believe exactly what they are told without question.
These people I feel sorry for the most.
Its a weakness in humanity.

Joey said...

YOU are the best
NOBODY else is as great programmer as you, and also moonlight, but that's different again :P
I think your browser is the best!
GO DRAGON =D

Anonymous said...

YES! Way to go! I couldn't agree more. The idiots behind the Gnirfleo hoax are scum in my opinion.

As for those who still believe... How can you function in society and actually be that stupid?

DSOrganize's browser is awesome so far. Once forms are added

Pedro J. Est├ębanez said...

Good luck!

Alex said...

aymen, preach it!

Steve said...

Man, Don't let those guys bother you. It totally sucks that they are just BSing about having such a great Browser done, but anyone who knows anything about the homebrew scene respects you way more, and actually knows you have a real browser that is already the best one out there so far. (The two Linux ones are too hard to access) Don't let this fake discourage you from keeping up the good work.

xXREAPERXx said...

go on with your browser dont stop cuz some shitheads told ya to but i dont really care if it doesnt have images i still luv the program and i think ur the best homebrew developer for ds cuz DSO does evrything...i mean moonshell only has vids on you but whoop dee doo vids DSO is alot better and boots up my homebrew games and other .nds files